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post #11 of 15 (permalink) Old 02-04-2007, 02:06 PM
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Yes Jayhawk your right, which is why I am hoping someone who already has a Carfax subscription will run my car to see what has been done to it. Thanks for your reply. =)
Mercedes ShopForum has a place to request CarFax reports: ShopForum - Announcements in Forum : Cars

But don't put a lot of stock in it because many issues never get into the CarFax since they have to be officially "reported" in order to be picked up. Savy owners and dealers will avoid getting things into CarFax. It is easy to avoid so have the car physically inspected too.

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Mercedes Benz of Florida - Grey market cars are wonderful things, and were incredibly common when my car was made, and still are today. Yes, they may not meet all US specifications, but the companies/people who import these cars will make the adjustments necessary for them to be legally registered here. But let's not the forget the main reason people buy grey market cars -money and speed. My euro 500SEL is faster than the american spec model, and it's a difference you can really feel. Plus the original owner probably saved around 20,000 dollars or more buying it in Germany and bringing it here...and these savings are still available today. The main people who are not happy about this and fighting this are the American MB dealers who are losing money by this practice...but it's their own darn fault for overpricing these cars so much here. Twenty thousand dollars is alot of money for me, and if I can save that by flying to Germany and importing my car, you'd better believe I and others are going to do it. Here is a piece from an article that talks about this: Gray-market cars are giving import dealers big headaches Ward's Auto World - Find Articles

I hear you; I really do;
You see you did and do your research.
I would say a vast majority of well meaning folks do not.
By our very nature we are lazy....Yes?

Grey market CAN offer better pricing, specs, options...but most folks just want to
register their car and put the key in the ignition and go putting around.

then you gotta hear the violent complaints from them about " I was not told..."
and you know they were.

Nightbird was lucky.

Either way I am happy it all worked out.

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Thanks Charles! And of coure your right, you do have to do your research and make sure you know what your getting into. Personally, I would rather purchase a MB that met all qualifications and was brought in to the USA by an american MB dealer just to avoid any hassles, but the premium added to these cars is too rich for my Thanks again for your reply and take care bud! =)

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Could anyone do a carfax for me Please email me at
I can even pay a buck or two.
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I remember the gray market well. In the late 70's through the 80's it was a growing industry (as the article points out) for a number of reasons:

1) Some cars simply weren't available in the US - such as six cylinder 3 series BMW's.

2) The exchange rate / pricing combo made arbitrage possible - you could get a car cheaper in Europe and import and convert it for less than a similar model in the US.

The challenge was finding someone who would do the conversion the right way; then getting spare parts was not always as easy as going to the dealer or NAPA.
It was a way to get a car for less or one that was not available in the US, but it wasn't a hassle free process; and resale value was questionable.

Today's cars, with the increased safety and emissions requirements, plus complex electronics coupled with a weak dollar probably makes gray market importing less lucrative; especially for models that don't have a US version.

Another market was importing older performance cars that didn't require conversion (I believe that may be anything 73 or older since a car only needed to meet the specs at time of manufacture not at import). I had a friend in the 80's that bought cars in Europe and shipped them to the US; it was profitable given the conversion rate and the low value of used cars in Europe at the time. One factor that helped him was Germany and Switzerland's strict inspection laws. He could buy a car that wouldn't pass that the owner didn't want to fix; ship and fix and still make a good profit. He was working in Europe with me so he could scout and ship the cars and his US partner handled the repairs (if any) and sale. He did a number of MB SLC's as I recall, along with 911's. His biggest challenge was shipping - he'd container a car, other wise it would arrive stripped of any valuable pieces. As a result he'd also ship antique furniture since the car wouldn't be a full container.
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