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S Class Quandry...

I am going to buy a previously owned (03,04 or an 05) S-Class and despite the obvious differences between the different models, I need advice on things to consider and perhaps avoid in my purchase. I''ve owned new C and E class cars before so I know what I'm getting into in terms of quality but not with a "used" car. My fears are getting into an automobile with excessive repair and operating costs, poor repair history or fussy features to avoid. Can anyone offer some solid advice on any "do's and don'ts". Here are my current thoughts: What years are best?. I really want a 4matic for winter driving is that a potential issue?. Big V12 hp is not a big deal to me and I'm looking for the best milage possible. I would like a low milage car, say less than 40k - how important is this concern? will I be looking at significant maintenance costs prior to hitting 100K or will my car go 2-300k before she starts to show her age. I'm willing to spend $40k. I know this all sounds like basic stuff but I want to really enjoy my final purchase and there's a lot of bad info out there. Your help is really appreciated.
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Big V12 hp is not a big deal to me and I'm looking for the best milage possible.
shame, 'cos those big V12s lose sooo much value in the first 3 years that they
make a real good used bargain...

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I did't say I would'nt buy one, it's just not necessary and I'm scared by the fuel costs. Is that a legetimate concern? I hear that 6 valves can be shut off...does this really help much? also, is there any truth to the notion that such a massive power plant uses less fuel since it has to work so effortlessly to move things around vs a smaller engine that works harder?
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if you want a S-class, stay with 04+ S430 or S500. Galvanized steel body panels, widescreen NAV, exterior upgrades, 7speed tranny, vastly improved electrical systems, upgraded interior materials, and much better reliability (not lexus quality but better than 00-03). easy call. try to find one with MB extended warranty

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I did't say I would'nt buy one, it's just not necessary and I'm scared by the fuel costs. Is that a legetimate concern? I hear that 6 valves can be shut off...does this really help much? also, is there any truth to the notion that such a massive power plant uses less fuel since it has to work so effortlessly to move things around vs a smaller engine that works harder?
I can't comment intelligently about any '03-05 S-classes because I have never owned one. However, I would like to try and answer your 2nd set of questions.

I don't think there is a "break the bank" difference in fuel economy in an S500 versus an S600. I think that more cylinders is better, and for the same reason you proposed (works less).

I encourage you to test drive an S320 (6-cyl) and then drive an S430 or S500 (both 8-cyl) to see if you like the 8 cylinders better. Not that there is anything wrong with the 320 engines (I have one now), but the S-class are heavier than my E-class and I think the S320s are probably under-powered.

For 2006 only, they made an S350 (3.7L 6) that might be a different story.

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Can I expect to see a "typical" range when it comes to the longevity of this car? . Also, would it be better to have an 05 S500 with 65k on it or an 04 with 38k on it. I keep playing these two considerations against each other.

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Can I expect to see a "typical" range when it comes to the longevity of this car? . Also, would it be better to have an 05 S500 with 65k on it or an 04 with 38k on it. I keep playing these two considerations against each other.


if given proper maintenance, any car could last for 500,000 miles. you just have to make the judgement call of whether the maintenance costs make economical sense given the market value of the car. i can tell you that S-class is NOT a cheap car to maintain, and expect to dish out $$$$ when things go wrong. and believe me, things WILL go wrong

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if given proper maintenance, any car could last for 500,000 miles. you just have to make the judgement call of whether the maintenance costs make economical sense given the market value of the car. i can tell you that S-class is NOT a cheap car to maintain, and expect to dish out $$$$ when things go wrong. and believe me, things WILL go wrong
...that seems like a dire (and scary) warning but I appreciate your honesty. I'd like to keep the car for a year or two (before it hits 130k miles), then sell it for a newer one. I don't mind if I get dinged with a one time repair that perhaps sets me back $1500 but I was thinking of getting an extended warranty from Mercedes to take the worry out things. Is this a prudent strategy? or am I getting ripped off by forking out money for an extended warranty. (I don't know how far Mercedes will go with their warranty on a high milage car)

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One thing to consider is that the S-Class comes with all the bells and whistles, which means your gonna get a lot of 'ringing and whistling' when it comes to repairs. Also, there are 'good' S-Classes and 'bad' ones. Typically, one that has created a lot of grief for the previous owner is likely to continue to plague you, especially if they are electrical problems.
I have educated myself about them because I want one. I know the airmatics are problems along with power options. If you find one that has 'electrical system serviced' on the VMI or Carfax, stay away from it. Electrical problems on the S-Class can be a nightmare if you happen to get one that has the bad wiring harnesses. MB has been sued over the harnesses on these cars though I do not know the outcome of the litigation. Also, run a flood car VIN check to make sure it's not a Katrina Car. Good Luck!

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