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Wink Methanol or Ethanol

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Maybe I misprinted ethanol for methanol. To my knowledge it doesn't make any difference for the engines, but big difference for humans
I didn't notice signs on pumps in California, but run on the page showing formulation of gasoline some time ago and was surprised about the alcohol contest.
This way, or another whenever I have a chance to fill up in AZ (Nevada is using CA gasoline) my mileage skyrockets.
Good one too Kajtek1 - big difference in humans

There is something I have to buy called "reformulated" gasoline where my girlfriend lives - Louisville, Kentucky. A lot of people there will not use that gas, and drive a few miles out of town to buy "regular" gas. All I think I know is that it is not as good, but I do not know what is different about it.

Just a guess, but I'll bet that the AZ gas has less, or no, methanol/ethanol in it.

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This subject has been extensively cussed and discussed elsewhere. You might want to do a search if you are really interested...

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This subject has been extensively cussed and discussed elsewhere. You might want to do a search if you are really interested...
I haven't seen any other threads on this, but this does not surprise me - I did not think to do a search before starting this thread.

My only real interest is how many MB owners there are who use it, don't use it, or simply don't care. I will continue not use it, regardless.

I guess I should have made this a poll.

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You are obviously wrong, either by not paying attention to the teacher, or by being lied to by the teacher...
Ethanol + air mixtures burns slower than normal gasoline + air. It's also much more simpler composed than gasoline, that has hundreds of different carbon-based
chemical molecules. Ethanol combustion is more consistent and "predictable" than gasoline ditto. An engine run at pure ethanol produces virtually no soot, since all
molecules react at the same temperature, whereas even stociometric gasoline combustion will emit unburnt carbon based residues.
(Something that the cat has to oxidize later.) Gasoline is also much more prone to knocking and "pingin"(?), due to uneven combustion.

The volumetric energy content is less in ethanol, so you need more E85 than gasoline to move your car a certain distance.
The octane rating is much higher in ethanol, which allows you to run higher compression ratio (modify engine), which increases power and fuel efficiency.
MOST IMPORTANT: gasoline is fossilized carbons = contributes to global warming.
Ethanol can be made of "green carbon" = NO or very little contribution to global warming.

NB! Already by mixing 5 or 10% ethanol in the gasoline you will increase power, fuel efficiency (due to synergetic effects) and reduce global warming effects!

/Alexander - who prefers facts, not urban myths

I typed my reply up based on an engine running on ethanol 85....but I'm confused...I read an article that basically ripped apart GM's Flex Fuel engines and how E85 isn't exactly as good as everyone says it is.

Edit: Here's the article I read.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...anol_ov1_1.htm

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I typed my reply up based on an engine running on ethanol 85....but I'm confused...I read an article that basically ripped apart GM's Flex Fuel engines and how E85 isn't exactly as good as everyone says it is.
Thanks for the link chinny4290,

Haha, for once I can believe what CR is saying about our cars!

I mentioned something about the BTU differences earlier, but this was not my primary concern - I am more concerned about feeding my engine properly. You have convinced me that the "organic" components, namely the alcohols, are not harmful to the seals and gaskets. Plus, since mine was not designed as an FFV, I plan to continue using real gasoline.

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The very best thing about ethanol is that it is not imported.
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Use of unleaded petrol containing ethanol in Mercedes-Benz passenger cars and 4WD’s


The Federal government believes that the inclusion of ethanol in petrol, up to a maximum of 10%, will be a positive step toward the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions and the sustainability of present fossil fuels.

As ethanol is already being supplied through some petrol outlets it is important that Mercedes-Benz owners are aware of our official company position in this matter.

DaimlerChrysler AG. recommends that your vehicle be operated on fuel containing no more than 10% ethanol. Use of fuel with an ethanol content higher than 10% may result in engine malfunction, starting and operating difficulties and materials degradation. These adverse effects could result in permanent damage to your vehicle. Purchasing your fuel from a reputable supplier may reduce the risk of exceeding this 10% limit or of receiving fuel with abnormal properties. It should also be noted that when using ethanol blended fuels an increase in fuel consumption can be expected due to the lower energy content of ethanol.

We can assure owners that all Mercedes-Benz passenger cars and 4WD’s manufactured after January 1st 1986 to Australian specification are able to be operated on unleaded petrol containing ethanol, providing the maximum limit of 10% is not exceeded.

If you have any further questions in relation to this issue, please contact our Customer Communication Centre on 1300 300 896.
DaimlerChrysler AG. recommends that your vehicle be operated on fuel containing no more than 10% ethanol.

Use of fuel with an ethanol content higher than 10% may result in engine malfunction, starting and operating difficulties and materials degradation.


You have to wonder how that company policy is compatible with E85?

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Get a better idea by reading this paper as prepared for the Australian government ,who have( allegedly) no connection with any oil company or car company.
http://www.deh.gov.au/atmosphere/fue...eferences.html
and here too..
http://www.deh.gov.au/atmosphere/fue...it/issues.html

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Get a better idea by reading this paper as prepared for the Australian government ,who have( allegedly) no connection with any oil company or car company.
http://www.deh.gov.au/atmosphere/fue...eferences.html
and here too..
http://www.deh.gov.au/atmosphere/fue...it/issues.html
Ditto mercmad. This subject has been done to death on the ozvets forum. And the consensus seems to be, only run your car on what it was designed for, especially on older ones.
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