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post #11 of 14 (permalink) Old 12-11-2006, 01:58 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, Mercedes has been heading down the wrong path since the early '90s. And then cutting costs in '95 - '96.
That's the truth. And by golly, I've been right on for almost 9 years of online participation. Although each year I've been told I was completely off my rocker and MB had definitely sorted things out for good...Uh huh, sure. Its the same broken record.
Mercedes-Benz has no unique identity anymore.
They have realized nothing, and will continue to produce more and more models, pinch penny's and increase mode ranges until they destroy themselves from too much overhead and a lack of quality control. They are choosing the path of least resistance to build wealth, and it will bite them in the end.
Seconded. Very, very well put.
Half the MB models on sale today are an answer to a question nobody asked.
As for the Crossfire, 'cheesy rip-off' is putting it mildly.

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That's funny, especially as you own a W124 Wagon (a pinnacle of modern automotive engiineering). Most MB Mechanics i know wouldn't touch anything from the last 10 years if they could help it.
Well, the reason I stop at 2006 is that the cars change drastically after that. I do A LOT of field diagnosis, and problems on MBZ's 1996 up 2006 seem to run similar to one another. I agree with you about our wagon. It has 229+, needs shocks and a front cover reseal, (you can barely hear it when she is on), and gets better gas mileage than our current service ML!

Forum brothers and sisters, in my opinion, MB's best stops at 2005 (early 2006)......afterward, its a melting pot....


BUT, I love the challenge of the diag on these cars (96-2006), especially in the field.

Here is a story:

Client called from Vallejo, CA with a 1998 (208) Coupe: Crank but will not start. Had previoulsy replaced K40 relay box at the dealer, and crank sensor at independent shop (no cure), the indy refunded the money back, but client had a bad experience with his service dealer, did not want to go back. Anyway, we got the call, car stranded in the garage, client needed to get to work!

Emergency sounded in the clients voice (message left at 6:30amPST), has missed a few days at work due to this problem, was on the edge with management. Well, I went out, got there and verified crank but no start. No codes in system. Test crank sensor, found within specs. Client looking at the clock, getting antsy, pressure is on (me) and clock is ticking......

All fuses good. Check power to fuel pump found none. CLIENT WATCHING AND PACING THE FLOOR, GETTING READY FOR WORK....I GOTTA DELIVER!!!

Pull out laptop, no signal, got permission to log-on to clients wireless router, hit startekinfo, need to access O.E. wiring diagrams, GOT IT! Verified signal to K40 relay via EIS, CLIENT NOW WATCHING MORE INTENSLY, "WILL I NEED TO CALL A RIDE AND TOW MY CAR?" they ask. "NO", I replied and pulled out the DVOM for a final check at the fuel pump relay. BINGO!! Verifed proper system voltage at the activation signal to the fuel pump relay, and system power to relay fuse. FAULTY FUEL PUMP RELAY.

Did not have one on the truck. CLIENT HAPPY, BUT........

Solution: While at startekinfo, was able to find that the relay for the aux coolant pump was the EXACT MATCH for the fuel pump. Advised client that I could make the switch, but that he would need to have the swapped out relay replaced AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Swapped out relay. Client was preatty DIY savy, and took good notes on where the aux pump relay was, said that he would get a new one.

Problem solved, job saved.

Total Bill: $157.50

If you wish, you can contact the client directly for a comment......

Happy Benzing!!!
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Forum brothers and sisters, in my opinion, MB's best stops at 2005 (early 2006)......afterward, its a melting pot....
Two questions for you:

1) What do you think about the R350 - in terms of mechanicals/electrics/reliability?

2) Any chance you guys could open a service center in NJ?
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Two questions for you:

1) What do you think about the R350 - in terms of mechanicals/electrics/reliability?

2) Any chance you guys could open a service center in NJ?
Mechanicals: Okay, but look out for transmission problems. Mostly on the first production run. MBZ is currently making updates, they will get it straight after while.

Engine is good.....

Electrics???? Well, as with all MB's from 2000, they will bite you. But overall, the systems are getting better. The R has the more expanded short test capabilities and most of the electrical problems (safe to say about 85%) will normally be coding errors, repaired usually with an update CD or flash through the control unit (OR, WORST CASE) replacement of the unit with an updated assembly, which normally will be covered under a service campaign.

Reliability? Well, I see it as this: the 210 chassis has proven itself to be a great successor to the 124. The 163 took a few years to become good, and the new 251 (derived from the new 164) has to prove itself, and I think this will relate the the performance of the new ML, GL, S, CLS and CL (since they all share in the same NEW technology. My comment on reliability....I would buy an R.....I would buy a GL.....BUT Only after a little time has passed. I am not too fond of the chrysler image/mix with MB, but I still love the car.....

Service in NJ?

Well, if the opportunity/demand/workload presented itself, we would earnestly consider it.

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