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And because they tried to get higher profit margins, they used shittier materials. It's all because of those bozo's, or rather that "one" bozo.

Which BoZo ? Schremp??

I wonder if when they fired him, it was because of this reason
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Your right I don't have an exact example and I doubt that they "copy" due to patent and copyright issues. But I have spoken to people who I would consider to be in the know and it is widely agreed that they do simplify ALOT of technology that is in European cars even the styling look at the LS side profile it looks alot like the S class throughout it's life.
1) I took a class on International Law in college and we quickly learned that there IS NO enforceable international law. I am concluding that this also extends to patents.

2) If the Japs simplify technology to the extent that it is more relaible/efficient etc. then I congratulate them. However, it's still less expensive and takes less ingenuity, for them to *tweak* what a REAL engineer (M-B obviously) designs.

3) RIGHT - the LS430 looks exactly like a COPY of the S-Class.

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Which BoZo ? Schremp??

I wonder if when they fired him, it was because of this reason
If he was involuntarily terminated, I'd say it was because his alleged cost-cutting measures didn't add "enough" to the bottom line.

The CEO takes full responsibilty for those beneath him, so several other people might have really been to blame and he was only the scapegoat.

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amit1, you seem to be young enough to still know everything. What car are you driving?
Teutone,

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You guys are missing the real point. The Engineers lost control of the company to the beancounters in the late 80's. That is the REAL reason.
Precisely the point -> economics makes the world go around.

Not the I totally understand the discipline, but most issues make more sense if we reduce them to dollars and cents.

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1) I took a class on International Law in college and we quickly learned that is IS NO enforceable international law. I am concluding that this also extends to patents.

2) If the Japs simplify technology to the extent that it is more relaible/efficient etc. then I congratulate them. However, it's still less expensive and takes less ingenuity, for them to *tweak* what a REAL engineer (M-B obviously) designs.

3) RIGHT - the LS430 looks exactly like a COPY of the S-Class.
With your 1st point you are right that is why comapnies must register their trademarks with each country that they operate in. There has been real problems with countries like China however where they have these laws BUT the government is unwilling to enforce them.
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1) I took a class on International Law in college and we quickly learned that is IS NO enforceable international law. I am concluding that this also extends to patents.

2) If the Japs simplify technology to the extent that it is more relaible/efficient etc. then I congratulate them. However, it's still less expensive and takes less ingenuity, for them to *tweak* what a REAL engineer (M-B obviously) designs.

3) RIGHT - the LS430 looks exactly like a COPY of the S-Class.
So you're saying all Japanese cars are inferior and are nothing like the Germans?

That's not necessarily true.

There are prime examples like the Acura/Honda NSX, titled the best handling mid-engined rear wheel drive sports car in the world, how about the Subaru Impreza which pushed Audi's spot away in the WRC, Toyota Land Cruiser, known for it's true go anywhere ability and solidity (every third world country you see has some sort of Toyota truck in use, they're indestructable), Lexus again, the LS holding the title as the quietest car in the world, and the new one, the most technologically advanced car in the world, the Nissan/Datsun Z, a car that was built to perform just as well as a Porsche 911 but costs half as much, or Infiniti Q45, the first car to ever set the benchmark of a high-end luxury saloon to have a good balance between sport and luxury, or the Mazda RX8, the only car to actually utilize the rotary engine and mass produce it, bringing superb gas mileage without the cost of performance, Or how about the Nissan Skyline which can be critically claimed to be the best overall sports car in the world?

Those are just a couple examples of superior Japanese engineering.

So what it doesn't take as much "ingenuity" to build a car as good as the Germans? Why spend extra money to make things more complicated when less complication in a car is generally better (less to go wrong, easier to fix). If it works, and it works well, then hey...why spend extra money to buy something when there's something that's just as good, if not better, for half the price?

In reality, when you buy a Mercedes, it's an ego, or a status. It's just showing off how much money you have, or it's just saying: "ohh, I have a Mercedes Benz...." in all honesty, how is that not arrogant?

Why spend all that extra money when you can get something jsut as good if not better from the Japanese market?

That's sometimes what it mostly comes down to.

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I think the W221 holds the quietest car title. At least the most comfortable. There was a study done that S-Class drivers had there heart's beat a few times less compared to the others.

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I think the W221 holds the quietest car title. At least the most comfortable. There was a study done that S-Class drivers had there heart's beat a few times less compared to the others.

Nope. At least, the first and second generation Lexus LSes held the title of being the quietest cars and the most comfortable cars in the world.

The W221 just recently took the title, but that again is rivaled by Lexus as they introduce the new one.
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As I recall the RX-8 does not get that great gas milage from a Car and Driver review.

I resent the implication that Mercedes owners buy Mercedes just for a status symbol or for their ego.

Personally I think the LS looks very plain and nothingness to it. I also think the LS needs more engine choices, it only has the 278 HP 4.3L V8.
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