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Compare to the fact, that 320 gas engine doesn't require any service (but oil/filter change) till 100, 000 miles.
I think he's talking about the scheduled maintenence.

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But the newer diesels are far quicker than the gas counterparts nowadays. Especially the E320 CDI. You get torqure figures which are higher than the E500, and at lower RPMs as well. Diesel is relatively cheaper than gas (depending on where you live). The E320 CDI goes 0-60 at an impressive 6.6 seconds (a 6 cylinder!!!!).

The E320 CDI is just about as good as it gets.
Is that so asianML? So why are you buying a BMW or a Lexus next?

My gasoline E320 does 0-60 in less than 7 seconds too, or so I have read. I think there might be other justifications for buying a Mercedes diesel, but I don't think torque and acceleration are at the top of the list.

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The E320 CDI is just about as good as it gets.
No, it is not. Was never sold in CA and it won't be for at least another year.
I imported diesels to CA in the past, so if you'l see one of those diesels wagons in pristine condition for $17,000 (what I paid for my 4Matic wagon) let me know.
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Now I want the diesel 4 matic which should kick butt in the MPG department.
This is hardly the first time I've read of people saying that they are concerned with the MPG figures for the M-B vehicles.

I don't think that this is a high priority for the german engineers who design these cars. Plus, Daimler recommends premium fuel (in the gassers obviously) in quite a few of them, and I'd say that they have their reasons.

I have seen factory stickers on several new (and from used vehicles) that have a gas guzzler tax added. Americans still buy them, so why should MPG be one of their concerns?

In my humble opinion, if you want to drive a Mercedes, be prepared to pay for the "privilege". If you (not you specifically, but anyone with cost concerns) are that concerned with mileage figures, buy a Toyota energy hybrid that "kicks most butts" in the miles per gallon department.

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No, it is not. Was never sold in CA and it won't be for at least another year.
I imported diesels to CA in the past, so if you'l see one of those diesels wagons in pristine condition for $17,000 (what I paid for my 4Matic wagon) let me know.
I live in Michigan so those silly laws won't affect me at all. The E320 Bluetec is coming soon, and I believe it will be able to sell(?), correct me if I'm wrong.

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This is hardly the first time I've read of people saying that they are concerned with the MPG figures for the M-B vehicles.

I don't think that this is a high priority for the german engineers who design these cars. Plus, Daimler recommends premium fuel (in the gassers obviously) in quite a few of them, and I'd say that they have their reasons.

I have seen factory stickers on several new (and from used vehicles) that have a gas guzzler tax added. Americans still buy them, so why should MPG be one of their concerns?

In my humble opinion, if you want to drive a Mercedes, be prepared to pay for the "privilege". If you (not you specifically, but anyone with cost concerns) are that concerned with mileage figures, buy a Toyota energy hybrid that "kicks most butts" in the miles per gallon department.

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But the Hybrids are shown to be not worth it in the long run.

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Is that so asianML? So why are you buying a BMW or a Lexus next?
Forgot to update it.

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But the Hybrids are shown to be not worth it in the long run.
What long run, and what standards are you using? They have only been available for about a year, and I think the jury is still out on that.

Please site your source(s) of information.

I happen to own a '91 Toyota Camry LE V6 that was my father's last car, so I AM a bit prejudiced toward that brand. However, I am hardly an admirer of their Prius (hate the looks) or of that engine technology.

Running on a battery? Give me a break! If I were to upgrade to a newer Toyota, it would be to a Camry or an Avalon with their 3.3L or 3.5L V-6 GAS.

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The premium you pay for the Hybrids. I don't know how much more the hybrids are compared to their gas counterparts, but it would take nearly 10 years of gas savings to pay for the extra $x,xxx you paid to get the hybrid version.

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Hybrids are subsidized by government. Here they are even allowed in carpool lines with single occupant, what stinks really bad to me.
How much they are really worth became clear, once their batteries will wear-out and owners will have to shave about 7 grands on replacement.
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