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The name Mercedes was given by Emil Jellinek, a Austrian-Jew diplomat, who wanted to buy and therefor sell the Daimler-Benz in USA. He wanted the new cars, designed by Maybach, to have the name Mercedes, his daugther's name. The name was so successful, especially in France, Daimler's most-wanted market, that he decided to adopt the name and create the Mercedes-Benz. Hitler, when he learned this story went so furious that most times selected the Horch limos. He wanted to alter it to the previous one, Daimler-Benz. But he gave support to the company "for the shake of the Aryan technology". About BMW, the Bavarians were the most supportive "fans" of NSDAP and from there Hitler begun his political life. Why I wrote this? Just for history. There was also Citroen, who was a Dutch-Jew. It is said that Chrysler (Kraisler) was a German-Jew. Don't worry Israelis, BMW was paid to do so...
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Well, you know that Daimler and Benz amalgated in 26, right? How could Jellinek have known that they would unite?

What you write here is not history. Try to find a picture of Hitler in a Horch.

"About BMW, the Bavarians were the most supportive "fans" of NSDAP and from there Hitler begun his political life."

Well, see how many pictures of Hitler in BMW's you can find.

And you know, Mercedes Benz has never actually been the name of the firm. Name of brand, yes, but company, no.

To me, you make it sound like Mr. Jellinek was the "brain" behind it all. Well, he was not, although he was a very important promoter for a brand that lasted untill recently.

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And Louis Renault was arrested and lost his company for collaboration with the Nazis. Also, Armand Peugeot was an aquaintance of Gottlieb Daimler. The in Hamburg born Frederick Simms befriended Gottlieb Daimler and later founded Daimler Coventry. Many of the patents were developed between Gottlieb Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach, lifelong engineering partners. The merger with the Karl Benz Co. happened after Daimlers death. They supposedly never met. The three pointed Star, for land, air and sea survived from the Daimler/Maybach era. Horst K
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....and Auto Union (later to be known as Audi) achieved it's racing successes from massive sponsorship by the Nazi Party.
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The name Mercedes was given by Emil Jellinek, a Austrian-Jew diplomat, who wanted to buy and therefor sell the Daimler-Benz in USA. He wanted the new cars, designed by Maybach, to have the name Mercedes, his daugther's name. The name was so successful, especially in France, Daimler's most-wanted market, that he decided to adopt the name and create the Mercedes-Benz. Hitler, when he learned this story went so furious that most times selected the Horch limos. He wanted to alter it to the previous one, Daimler-Benz. But he gave support to the company "for the shake of the Aryan technology". About BMW, the Bavarians were the most supportive "fans" of NSDAP and from there Hitler begun his political life. Why I wrote this? Just for history. There was also Citroen, who was a Dutch-Jew. It is said that Chrysler (Kraisler) was a German-Jew. Don't worry Israelis, BMW was paid to do so...
A little paranoia can be helpful, but a German nationality does not turn one into an automatic goose stepper. Horst K
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I happened to read this historical data in one of the 420SEL sales ad: (I think it was frome eBay):

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Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler invented the automobile in 1886 and,with it,changed the world more than any other technical innovation had done so before.It seems ironic to us today that Benz and Daimler ,one of them in Manheim,Germany,the other in Cannstatt,Germany,were each working,quite independently and unaware of each other,on the realization of a dream.
To begin with,they were working on quite different concepts:Karl Benz relied for his Patent Motor Car of 1886 on a three- wheeled construction influenced by the bicycle.the engine,suspension and drive system formed an organic unit in his patented "gas engine-powered vehicle".Gottlieb Daimler first fitted his experimental engine to a two-wheeled test vehicle that we know as his "motor bicycle".A year later he fitted a high speed engine to a carriage body,so building his first four-wheeled automobile.Gottlieb Daimler and Karl Benz both set high standards in terms of the quality of their products.While Daimler remained true to his motto "Nothing but the best",Benz’s slogan was "The best of all that is good".
But the two inventors would not live to see their companies become one.It wasn’t until 1926 that Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft and Benz & Cie.merged to form Daimler-Benz AG.
History reminds us of a long line of women who have been committed to and,indeed,contributed significantly to the achievements of their husbands.One such woman was Bertha Benz,the determined partner of Karl Benz.Without her unshakeable belief in her husband's success and her strong will,Benz & Cie.would probably never even have existed.She it was who undertook the first long-distance journey in a gasoline-powered automobile.She was convinced that the only way to prove to people the practcability of the Patent Motor Car was to actually drive it.So,early one August morning in 1888,without her husband knowing,she set off in his three-wheeler to travel from Manheim to Pforzheim with her sons Eugen(15) and Richard (14).By nightfall,the daring three-some had safely reached Pforzheim.A telegram was sent to Karl Benz upon their arrival to let him know that they had made it and that the first long-distance journey in a motor car had been successfully accomplished.News of the sensational achievement spread like wildfire.Two lads and a woman on a hissing and spitting horseless carriage could only be the work of the devil.But Bertha Benz had achieved what she wanted: the critics were convinced of the vehicle's reliability and the name of teh Benz Patent Motor Car was on everyone's lips.There is no doubt that,without Bertha Benz's dedication and spirit of adventure,the automobile would have had a much harder time on its journey into the future.

The first car to be sold by Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft was delivered on August 31,1892.It was a further development of the "wire-wheeled car" of 1889,with chain drive.The name of that first illustrious customer mat still be read in the commission books kept in DaimlerChrysler Corporate Archives:the buyer was none other than the Sultan of Morocco.
The development of the wire-wheel car marked a big step forward in technical terms.Gottlieb Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach first presented their new model to the public at the World Exhibition in Paris in October 1889,where a Benz Patent Motor Car was also on display.In many of the construction details,Daimler,and above all Maybach,the true creator of this pioneering automobile,were way ahead of their time.Apart from the two-cylinder V-engine and the four speed variable-speed toothed gearbox,the steering system is also worth mentioning,since to a certain extent it anticipated the axle-pivot steering system that would not be invented until much later.

Gottlieb Daimler ‘s vision was the creation of a universal source of power which could be used to propel vehicles on the water,on land and in the air.The combustion engine,powered purely by gasoline,was in his view the only solution that would lend itself to installation in any conceivable type of vehicle.Gottlieb Daimler was already aware of the principle of such an engine for,since 1872,he had been the technical manager of the Deutz gas engine factory,where he had familiarized himself with Otto’s four stroke principle.Following differences of opinion with the company’s management,who refused to recognize the need to develop small,mobile engines,Daimler left the company in the middle of 1882.In 1882 Daimler had purchased a villa in Cannstatt,near Stuttgart,as a place where he could work further on his ideas;a place that would become the cradle of worldwide motorization.In the villa’s extensive gardens was a greenhouse,to which Daimler immediately added a brick extension in order to accommodate an experimental workshop.He was obviously very sure of what he wanted to achieve right from the start,for he had the garden paths widened at the same time to make them accessible for vehicles.Together with Wilhelm Maybach he secretely conducted early experiments here in this shed to build a high-speed,small combustion engine.The cast metal parts for the engine came from a bell foundry.The break-through came in 1883 and,with their patents for a "gas engine with hot tube control" and covering the "regulation of engine speed through control of the discharge valve" Daimler and Maybach were to lay the foundations for the very first high-speed combustion engine.

Gottlieb Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach’s experiments to develop the first high-speed combustion engine were conducted in the utmost secrecy,for Daimler was concerned that his ideas might also prove interesting to his competitors.Not even the staff at Daimler’s villa in the Taubenheimstrasse in Cannstatt were aware of what Daimler and Maybach were up to in the little greenhouse that they had converted into a workshop.No one else was allowed in,and even the windows had been blanked out.The gardener,in particular,became very suspicious about the strange metallic banging hammering noises emanating from the workshop at all times of night and day.He confided in the local police constable,who promptly suspected a counterfeit mint and determined to investigate.Once the gardener had had a copy of the key cut and locked up the guard dog,the over-zealous constable secretely entered the workshop in the middle of one night.But,amongst all the tools and strange machine parts,he was unable to find anything untoward.Gottlieb Daimler took the news of the policeman’s secret visit to his workshop with good humor-and even had a parody of the incident performed at a party some years later.The mayor of Cannstatt,who was present,was not amused and subsequently refused planning permission for a new factory in Cannstatt.Daimler therefore decided upon a site just a few miles away,in Unterturkheim,Germany.Which is why,nowadays,the whole world associates Mercedes-Benz with Unterturkheim and not with Bad Cannstatt.

The first truck to be built by Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft was delivered to British Motor Syndicate Ltd. in London on October 1,1896.This vehicle had a rear-mounted two-cylinder Phoenix engine with an output of 4 hp at 700 rpm,was fitted with a belt drive and designed for a payload of 1.5 tons.A complete range of vehicles suitable for payloads of up to 5 tons was available.In June 1898 Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft presented the first truck designed for a 5-ton payload,which already featured a front-mounted engine,at the Paris Motor Show.Light commercial vehicles had been in Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft's range since December 1897 and were known as "business vehicles".The company Benz & Co. was also active in the truck sector from a very early stage and,in Decenber 1896,the first Benz "delivery vehicle",based on the Velo model,was supplied to a customer.In Germany,motorized commercial vehicles were initially far less successful than,for example,in England.One of the first commercial vehicle customers in Germany was the Stuttgart brewing magnate Robert Leicht.From 1897 onward he used a Daimler 1.5 ton business vehicle - the term used at the time for a light commercial vehicle - to transport his beer barrels.

As long as 115 years ago,businessman and car buff Emil Jellinek chose the elegant name Mercedes for his third daughter.This proved to be a farsighted decision – today Mercedes is one of the best-known and most coveted brand names,radiating splendor throughout the world.The name itself,incidentally,is of Spanish origin and means "grace".
In the early 20th century,Emil Jellinek was one of the best,though also one of the most difficult customers of Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft(DMG).He was a forward-looking man who took a keen interest in sports and was enthusiastic about technical progress,convinced of the future significance of the automobile.He had bought his first Daimler car as early as 1897 and demanded ever more powerful and faster cars from DMG.From 1898,he increasingly engaged in automotive business activities,promoting and selling cars especially in the highest social circles.To promote sales,he also entered cars in races,first and foremost in the Nice Week,where he competed under a pseudonym - the name of his daughter who was eleven years old at the time.The pseudonym "Monsieur Mercedes" was on everybody’s lips in the automotive world,and in December 1900,the first car named "Mercedes" was supplied.It became a huge success and set the course for the future of the automobile and,not least,for the company itself.Mercedes Jellinek herself never possessed a car in her life,but her name wrote automotive history.
"The car must have a lady’s name to be likeable and attractive." Emil Jellinek

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Re: Orgin of Mercedes. It is also a Persian name, in Farsi Mercede.
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im just saying what i found i dont know if its true or not that is y i put it hear.....purley to gain some personal knowledge
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im just saying what i found i dont know if its true or not that is y i put it hear.....purley to gain some personal knowledge
Probably should take a little time to check things out with credible authorities (even online) before posting them as fact then. Otherwise you're not gaining (or spreading) actual knowledge, but actual nonsense.

The people who have corrected you in this thread have actually helped you, whether or not you realize it..

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im just saying what i found i dont know if its true or not that is y i put it hear.....purley to gain some personal knowledge
Probably should take a little time to check things out with credible authorities (even online) before posting them as fact then. Otherwise you're not gaining (or spreading) actual knowledge, but actual nonsense.

The people who have corrected you in this thread have actually helped you, whether or not you realize it..
exactly there are very few people on the internet as knowlegable as you guys that y i posted it hear so i can get factual corections thank you all
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