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RE: Considering an S-class (used)

My post at http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=124317, which discusses features and the progress of the W220 from 2000 to 2005, and a bit of comparison to Audis (which I drove for 20 years) may shed just a little light, aside from horsepower.

I drove an '05 and an '06 A8L and several '05 A6 versions to compare when I bought my 2005 S500 4-Matic (all wheel drive). In my view, the '05 S500 topped the '05 and '06 A8L. I drove Audis for over 20 years before buying my first Mercedes, and all since my '86 S5000 turbo Quattro were AWD. I loved the later Audis - nearly trouble free (not entirely, but huge improvements over earlier ones). The last one I owned was a 2000 A6 2.7T (all of those were AWD - it was a great car). I missed the AWD in my '00 S500; the standard Mercedes traction control just didn't compare to the control I felt on the road with Audi AWD, wet or dry and definitely not in snow. However, the '05 4-Matic is the best. The AWD is every bit as good as Audi's, and I like the styling and interior of the S-class better. The COMAND system is a bit easier to use in the '05 S class than Audi's system in the A6 and A8. The '05 S500 is also nearly trouble free so far.

I also drove an '04 S430 4-Matic. It too handled marvelously - made me certain my next S500 would be a 4-Matic. The S430 has plenty of power, but not quite as much as the S500; and options I would have ordered on an S430 were standard on the S500.

An E-class is entirely different from an S-class. The Mercedes 4-Matic (all-wheel drive) has been around for years, but was only offered on the S-class beginning in 2004.

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RE: Considering an S-class (used)

Try a w126 and see what you think.
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RE: Considering an S-class (used)

if your going for a w126 or w140, go for the w126. i have both, and the thing is, the w126 is WAY more reliable, and it has WAY less maintenance than the w140. the w140 is a great car and everything, but if you want an old merc that wont give you any trouble, then get a 126. they are really great cars. But if you don't care about maintenance, then get a 140. But really, you should get them both. I love my 126 and my 140 equally.
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When I got to a point in my life where I felt I had "made it", I figured I should go out and get a mercedes. There was no contest between the w140 and w126. I love the w126. Mine you I grew up around them, but the w140 just did not seem as nice. Drive one of the big S classes from the 1980's. They are built like tanks. Very reliable.
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They are built like tanks. Very reliable.
Yes and unlike a 140 many items can be fixed DIY.
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Add my voice to the chorus, the 126 is one fine automobile..
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RE: Considering an S-class (used)

Consider the era that each car was built in. The w126 came about in the price is not option 80's. The w140 was the result of MB need to compete with up and comers like Lexus.[xx(]. Cost issues came into play. MB had to produce a product at a cheaper price to them. Sad but true. We have a 1998 ML320. There is no comparison in the quality of production between my w126 and the w163. Even when new, the w163 could not compare. Now no one start up about comparing apples to orange and all that. My point is that the need to compete led MB to lower quality standards. The w126 in my opinion was the last great MB that could be purchased for below or right around $100,000. Adjust the prices for inflation. Who would afford a w126 today???? Especially with all the other competion in the luxury car market.
If you are seriously looking for an S-Class, the w126 is the way to go. Service manuals are available, they are fairly easy to work on, there is great help on this forum, and you will probably end up loving it. Maybe not all the time, but most of the time.
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what the hell are you smoking? The S600 puts out 493 HP and 590 lb-ft of torque at 1,800-3,500 RPM. Your other numbers are correct, but where did you pull 362 HP out for a 5.5L V12?
Um, he's talking about 2000-ish area. The non-turbo V12 had 362 bhp. That'd be the S600 he's looking since 2002 and earlier were turbo-less. Calm down.

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I think that we need to get a reality check here. The one thing that I can say about Mercedes-Benz owners is that as soon as a new model is introduced we tend to trash it and reminisce about how great the old ones were.

I had a 1985 300SD, the so called workhorse of the Mercedes S classes, bought new. Was it reliable? I guess, it never left me stranded...no problems?...not exactly. In the 8 years I had it it required the replacement of the following:
A/C compressor($1250)
Head gasket($1500)
FI Pump($2500)
Transmission (twice)($3000 after warranty expired)
Heater core($1500)
Rear main seal (twice)(under warranty)
starter(under warranty)
front end at 75K due to worn out parts ($1500)

Right now I have an S500(W140). Have I had problems? a few. When you buy a car you need to remember that you're buying a machine not perfection, something that I hope my secretary remembers when I take her to pick up her 2003 Toyota Avalon that wouldn't start this morning![8)]

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RE: Considering an S-class (used)

I think that when people pay a lot for an automobile, or anything else for that matter, they sometimes come to have unrealistic expectations of that automobile. When anything goes wrong, they tend to be more critical of it than they would be of a lesser possession. And it doesn't help that more expensive things tend to cost more to repair than less expensive things. I say "get a grip."
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