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I Need YOUR HELP - Should I Buy?????

Always been a dream to own a luxury car. On threshold of buying a E500 but I'm a bit spooked due to the reliability questions I've been reading about. Unfortunately, 2005 info. not out yet and I'm cognizant of the fact that I'm appealing to MB enthusiasts (generally) but I need help in learning whether 2005 is really and truly MUCH better or if the shear experience is a counter-weight to expected reliability problems. Thoughs? Insights?
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if it comes with a warranty, why not?
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RE: I Need YOUR HELP - Should I Buy?????

while looking at the W211 may I also reccommend you take a look at the CLS, mainly because it's a newer design (and personally I think it's better)
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RE: I Need YOUR HELP - Should I Buy?????

Think twice about buying a new model 1st year.
If you are concerned about "issues", I would not recommend a Mercedes-Benz or any other German vehicle.

If I were in your shoes, and I'm planning to lease for 3-4 years, get the Benz.

If you're in it for the long haul, get a Lexus.

I know, I know, it's not a Benz, but it's a lot more reliable.

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RE: I Need YOUR HELP - Should I Buy?????

yeah i hear lexus is better in not breakin down over the years and what not.
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As long as you have a warranty or an extended warranty you can pick something better to worry about.

MBZ isn't making cars that will leave you by the side of the road fuming -- just yet. MBZ owners are (rightfully) very picky and the quality is clearly not what it was 10 or more years ago.

Lexus makes a truly fine car with wonderful attention to detail and excellent engineering -- but almost nothing for road feel.

I believe Lexus has the heart and soul of a mid 60's Lincoln Continental. A high quality looker with almost no idea on where the tires end and the road begins.

I've owned both. The Lexus ( an LS400 circa 1990) was beautiful, but totally lacking in soul, road feel, fun to drive quotient, etc.

You have to decide what's more important to you.

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RE: I Need YOUR HELP - Should I Buy?????

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As long as you have a warranty or an extended warranty you can pick something better to worry about.

MBZ isn't making cars that will leave you by the side of the road fuming -- just yet. MBZ owners are (rightfully) very picky and the quality is clearly not what it was 10 or more years ago.

Lexus makes a truly fine car with wonderful attention to detail and excellent engineering -- but almost nothing for road feel.

I believe Lexus has the heart and soul of a mid 60's Lincoln Continental. A high quality looker with almost no idea on where the tires end and the road begins.

I've owned both. The Lexus ( an LS400 circa 1990) was beautiful, but totally lacking in soul, road feel, fun to drive quotient, etc.

You have to decide what's more important to you.
[8D]I have owned MB's for longer than most posters on this forum have been alive. I can personally attest to the reliability and quality of the Benz's going down hill. Most recently they are going down an elevator shaft. Last year I purchased 3 cars; a CLK 500, a Lexus SC 430 and an LS 430 Lexus. The LS 430 has the Euro suspension and the lack of road feel and lack of soul have been greatly diminished. The car is not as tight as a Benz but a great improvement over previous Lexi (or Lexuses?). I have 2 other newer MB's but they are AMG's and yes they have road feel. You can feel every pavement irregularity clearly in your a** but these are different cars.
All three of the recently purchased cars have about the same mileage. The CLK has been in the shop 4 times and has recently developed a cracking sound at the base of the windshield that is truly annoying: another trip to the service department to hear that is normal or they all do that. The 2 Lexes autos have been flawless except for the dealers detailing departments that I never wanted to use in the first place but in their "Ultimate Pursuit of Perfection" they insist on washing the car. I truly beliieve that if you don't stop moving you will be washed by their "detailers". Larry, Curly and Moe work there and have used towels made out of 400 grit sanpaper to wipe down the cars. Other than that the cars have been bullet proof and I must say the level of fit and finish and quality of materials used in the interior and throughout the cars makes the MB's look cheap.
I still am amazed that I am even saying this after 36 years of MB ownership. A year ago I would have mud wrestled, had pistol duals at 20 paces, one armed knife fought anyone who would have said I would defend Lexus automobiles. However, as they say life goes on even in the auto industry and better yet sh*t happens.

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RE: I Need YOUR HELP - Should I Buy?????

I agree with all you guys said above. But MB is working like crazy to bring quality and reliablity up again. Recent shake-up at the top management of MB attests to that. They are taking this issue extremely seriously. MB has a long history and tradition. I do not think the current trend of low-quality and unreliablity of MB cars will continue forever....I think this is just a bad phase that MB is going through (paying the price for widening its range of cars and merger with Chrysler)....I am confident that MB will get it all sorted out and it will be back again on top soon...

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Mercedes-Benz vs. Lexus

Please check out the following thread for discussions on MB vs. Lexus ....

http://www.mbnz.org/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1195811
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RE: I Need YOUR HELP - Should I Buy?????

I will become impressed with their efforts to improve quality when they step up and admit to their falling off the mark and then offer to help with the costs of repairing the most grevious of the repeated problems.

I know the dealers (stealers) have some lattitude, but if you want them to throw some goodness your way you'd better hope there's an impressive paper trail at that dealership with your name all over it saying "paid".

DC needs to get out in front of this with a proactive campaign to address the glaring issues. Don't have stealth programs at the mercy of a dealer and his moods. That's a non-starter.

Once (as) this confidence erodes, they can't come running up to a buyer and say "Hey, you can trust us again with all your hardearned cash -- really!" The potential buyer has to think, "Where were these people when I was dealing with one of the 50 known problems with my sled? Why didn't they contact me? Why did I have to listen to a dealer saying, "You didn't get your car or your service, or both from me so forget you""
It's sad, but, hey there are many wonderful choices out there in cars with high quality -- that listen to their customers sometimes.....

Now if the Lexus was just 1/2 as much fun to drive, I'd be gone.

Until then, I don't wander far from an extended warranty. The W210 has been pretty good so far though...

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