Remember folks...this is an OPEN forum and you will undoubtedly read things that are either against what you have been taught or things that you know to be questionable practices. The bottom line:
I don't own a Mercedes and never will they are not a car that appeals to me. To get to the point the whole reason I even registered was to tell benz rider off about his detail. Just to let you know your post is floating around numerous car detailing forums about how stupid you are. You need to listen to the guys that are talking to you. You are just damn lucky you haven't ruined somebody's car that you were working on. What you are doing is dangerous and unethical. You are misleading people who don't know any better and you who should know doesn't have a clue. A full detail can sometimes take hours or even a few days to completely make a car look better than new. What you are doing can be done in an hour. Do you throw your car wash mitt on the ground between cleaning? Anytime you clay bar you have to wax!!!! Clay bar is designed to remove any contaminant on your paint and to the clay wax falls into that category. It removes everything down to the clearcoat. Never use anything but a high quality car wash to wash your car. Dish soap is the worst thing you can put on your car. It is designed to remove grease and grime and what falls in that category... wax. The way you are washing and not waxing you have absolutely no protection on your car. I admit a quick detailer can give you a lot of shine but there is NO protection. If you work for a dealer I see the problem, you are the reason why I get a new car I have to take the time and remove every swirl mark and defect that YOU put onto the paint. It is because of you people think detailers are just trying to get their money. That is all you are doing!!!! If you even dare try to reply to this and say you are right I will post right back and put you in your place. You have to be the stupidist person I have ever heard of and you are giving the guys a good laugh. *******.
Last edited by ByByeAmericanPie : 04-28-2008 at 10:36 AM.
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Hi Guys.
I would like to know what is claying a car?
I just started reading this article and I am interested in finding out.
Thank-You.
Hi Fi,
Claying a car is a process by which contaminants on the surface of the paint which cannot be removed by the normal wash process are removed, i.e. metallic brake dust, sap, etc.
There are special clays made specifically for this purpose. To see if you car needs clay, after washing, put your hand into a baggie and lightly run your hand across the surface. If the surface is in no need of clay it will feel as smooth as a babys butt. If you feel any roughness at all, then you will have to clay the car. In normal care of your paint you should not have to clay more than once or twice a year. But, after you clay then be sure to polish then wax your paint for protection, because as said previously, claying removes EVERYTHING including wax.
I don't own a Mercedes and never will they are not a car that appeals to me. To get to the point the whole reason I even registered was to tell benz rider off about his detail. Just to let you know your post is floating around numerous car detailing forums about how stupid you are. You need to listen to the guys that are talking to you. You are just damn lucky you haven't ruined somebody's car that you were working on. What you are doing is dangerous and unethical. You are misleading people who don't know any better and you who should know doesn't have a clue. A full detail can sometimes take hours or even a few days to completely make a car look better than new. What you are doing can be done in an hour. Do you throw your car wash mitt on the ground between cleaning? Anytime you clay bar you have to wax!!!! Clay bar is designed to remove any contaminant on your paint and to the clay wax falls into that category. It removes everything down to the clearcoat. Never use anything but a high quality car wash to wash your car. Dish soap is the worst thing you can put on your car. It is designed to remove grease and grime and what falls in that category... wax. The way you are washing and not waxing you have absolutely no protection on your car. I admit a quick detailer can give you a lot of shine but there is NO protection. If you work for a dealer I see the problem, you are the reason why I get a new car I have to take the time and remove every swirl mark and defect that YOU put onto the paint. It is because of you people think detailers are just trying to get their money. That is all you are doing!!!! If you even dare try to reply to this and say you are right I will post right back and put you in your place. You have to be the stupidist person I have ever heard of and you are giving the guys a good laugh. Dumb ass.
hey ***deleted for inappropriatness***, I could care less what YOU and others are saying. you're all hypocrits to me.
one minute you say the paint doesn't react with the sun, which I like to call "breathing" because a paintjob never fully "cures", the next minute you say the paint must be "sealed", which would lead one to believe that the paint does in fact "breathe". make up your ****** mind.
One reason I get clients is because I do good damn work. I don't wash my cars in direct sun and I damn sure don't wax/polish them every time I do them. IT'S NOT NECCESSARY. *****.
Countless threads are in here about different ways to get the same ****** result, A CLEAN DETAILED CAR. you can slap on any amount of layers of wax/polish/sealant/waxsealant/polish/etc...all you want to, but at the end of the day, that ******car will be still catch dirt/grime in the same amount of time as a car with less "fluff" build up on it. NONE OF THE SHIT HAS UV PROTECTANT IN THEM IF ANY AT ALL as noted on Mequiars' own site:
Some waxes do contain UV-protection agents, but the amount of protection that a microscopically thin layer of wax can provide is limited
The primary goal of a wax is to protect the top layers of paint that contain UV-protection agents from the paint manufacture. If you wash and wax your car regularly, your paint will be protected and you should suffer no major UV damage over the normal course of the life of the car.
Don't be fooled by some companies that lead you to believe that it is the UV protection in a wax that protects your car's finish from fading and failure, this is dishonest and simply not true. Taking care of the paint you presently have will go further to protect your finish than relying on protection supplied by a liquid you pour out of a bottle, or a wax you scoop out of a can. UV protection in a car wax formula is only an extra-dose of preventative maintenance, not the end-all, cure-all that some companies would lead you to believe.
UV protection for paint is much different from UV blocking ingredients for human skin. The two formulas are nothing alike and work in drastically different ways. There is no correlation between the ratings applied to the different levels of sun blocking protection for products intended for use on human skin and the ingredients available for use in an automotive wax formula. Sad to say, much of what you see advertised about the protective qualities of most car care products on the market today is simply over-exaggerated hype used to separate you from your hard earned dollars.
Read ^ that last line and let it burrn in real good ******
...all you're doing is trying to get people to spend untold amounts of money on shit off the shelf for damn reason. YOU ARE NOT HELPING..
And I'm sorry if the cars you looked at on the lots had ****** details, that's life. find another lot, *****.
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and furthermore cowboytrucking, I do wax and polish, ******. I never said I didn't. I just don't do it everytime, because as any professional detailer will tell you, it's not neccessary. if you are doing that to peoples cars, YOU ARE THE CON MAN, not me.
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Last edited by ByByeAmericanPie : 04-28-2008 at 10:30 AM.
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No, it's not a matter of "terminology" It's a matter of incorrect, harmful, and unethical procedures.
Extra things like polishing? Since when it compounding and polishing "extra" paintwork correction is a detailer's #1 fine art! It is what seperates the ameteurs from the professionals.
paintwork correction is not always needed on cars. you do understand that fact right? there's no need to correct anything when the cars are in pretty good shape paintwise to begin with., i.e.- the car lots I've detailed for.
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LSPs are absolutely mandatory, and failure to protect the paint is, as stated before, unethical business practice in the detailing field.
What's unethical is selling a client a ****** of goods they don't need. I don't do that. I tell them exactly what they need and don't try to add extra procedures in to scam more money from. if they NEED a good wax/polishing, I suggest it and get it done. coaxing people to add 4 coats of polish and 2 coats off wax is just overkill and borderline scamming like a mechanic. That hurts professional detailers more than anything.
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A polished and protected surface can stay swirl free for months, even after washing and heavy weather. If you do not, it will become extremely soiled, and that dirt sticks to the paint, making it a complete pain to remove.
******If this is the case, why do so many car owners get it re-done so frequently if it lasts so long?.
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As a detailer, I must take the responsible position knowing that I have knowlege of many tips and tricks that almost all of my clients don't understand, some don't care at all. Letting them be the judge is irresponsible, how are they supposed to know if it's as good as it can be, you're supposed to be the expert.
is this a pissing contest?
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You clay right on top of the dirt? How fast does your claybar become completely soiled?
Terrible. If this is your procedure, then you have never properly clayed a car. Honestly, I wash, then clay, then wash the residue away again - it never takes very long the second time around.
LOL...Ok, Mr. Know-it-All...your comments reak of arrogance. the shit you're saying is not even on the side of the ****** box instructions. all you're doing is peddling your routine and all I have to say to that is, ********. I have my own routine and it works wonders. thank you.
there's scam mobile detailers all over the place. they include their "gas money" in the with the price, some don't even offer discounts for using the customer's water.
my motto is "If I do it wrong, I do it Free". and I only had one instance where I had to do it Free, and that was when I was 19 yrs old and still wet behind the ears on true detailing.
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