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Originally Posted by GL Troll
Benz Rider,
I hope I can help you understand here why you get into these arguments.
The problem is your perspective of detailing is based wholly on what you can see with your own 2 eyes. Yes, I’m pretty confident that when you’ve cleaned a car it is indeed clean for the moment. But, you’re only seeing what is clean or what shines. What you’re not grasping is what goes on at a molecular level on a painted panel, for example, the removal of necessary oils, wax and sealant by Ajax or removal of wax/sealant by clay lead to long term damage by UV and various contaminants. Because these things happen long term it’s hard to grasp cause and effect. Please don’t take offense to this, but an analogy is: Europeans of 600 years ago thought the earth was flat because as far as they could see, it appeared to their eyes to be flat. It took scientists using gradually accepted building blocks of knowledge to eventually see what we could not literally see.
You need to have a little faith in some things people are telling you. They are based ultimately on long-term experimentation. You accept that clean oil will protect your engine even though you can’t actually see it working. Why not accept that QD is only a very short-term protection vs. sealant or wax?
People on this forum, initially at least, rebut your posts not because of a desire to argue with someone. They do it because they are concerned that novices will read and act on your advice, which frequently would lead to premature aging of their vehicles. If someone were to post that their premium wax is the best, I’m not likely to publicly disagree. However, if they tell someone to clean their clear-coated wheels with steel wool, I’m going to strongly disagree if others don’t do so first. This is what people are trying to do. When they logged on to the forum, they were not setting out to pick on you or anyone else.
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ok, first off, I DO listen to others and what their experiences are. but I notice that when, like you said, making statements on a public forum I need to start spelling out things sometimes. most of the peoples cars I do, I've already done 'complete details' on so when i wrote 'full detail' in the other thread, the other guy flames the thread not knowing what I've alredy done so i should've said 'detail' just to keep his butt from rashing up in the thread. sheesh.
I've been trying to convey the message of "less is more" since I got here and letting the paint "breathe". these are tips I learned form elder detailers who were awesome at it. but I get attacked when I post my experiences and knowledge because some want to steer people to what 'they' want them to understand about detailing. it's cool. I listen, but I'm not going to run out and slap 12 coats of wax and 5 coats of polish and somehow think I'm adding more protection than the next guy. it's just not true. I've learned that it's ok to let your car go without polishes/sealants for a little bit. you're not damamging anything. if you regularly wash/detail you're not giving the sun enough time to oxidize your paint. but some detailers want you to believe that you MUST POLISH/WAX/SEAL EACH AND EVERY TIME YOU DO YOUR CAR. which is a bogus advertiement of one's opinion to me. it's entertaining though.
Washing/detailing your car should be fun. not a chore.
One thing we can agree on is that none of these products used or not will sotp rock chips from happening.