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Originally Posted by benz rider  It's still a full detail in my book. It appears the terminology is the issue here, because the way I note details is like this :
Quick detail
Full Detail
Complete Detail |
No, it's not a matter of "terminology" It's a matter of incorrect, harmful, and unethical procedures.
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Originally Posted by benz rider A Complete detail is what I think you're referring to because if I do anything above washing/wheels/tires that's a full detail because I go ahead and vac, QD, etc...on a Complete detail I'll do all those things extra things you have like polishing, but I rarely use sealants because frankly I don't think they are neccessary unless it's being applied to a show car or garage queen. Reason being, that if it's gonna get dirty in 2-3 days anyway from pollen and road grime and it hides swirls like you said it's just a waste of funds. In MY opinion. |
Extra things like polishing? Since when it compounding and polishing "extra" paintwork correction is a detailer's #1 fine art! It is what seperates the ameteurs from the professionals.
LSPs are absolutely mandatory, and failure to protect the paint is, as stated before, unethical business practice in the detailing field.
Hide swirls? Absolutely not,
high quaity sealants and carnaubas aren't built to hide swirls, that's what clay fillers are for. Why do you think people polish in the first place? A polished and protected surface can stay swirl free for months, even after washing and heavy weather. If you do not, it will become extremely soiled, and that dirt sticks to the paint, making it a complete pain to remove.
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Originally Posted by benz rider I agree. but I don't get complaints for a reason. I don't leave until they are satisfied. I ask questions and let them respond. "do you see any issues that I need to correct"...things like that. |
As a detailer, I must take the responsible position knowing that I have knowlege of many tips and tricks that almost all of my clients don't understand, some don't care at all. Letting them be the judge is irresponsible, how are they supposed to know if it's as good as it can be, you're supposed to be the expert.
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Originally Posted by benz rider I posted one of my C280 that I did like that. I clayed/washed(ajax)/and dried it and took the pic in daylight. it's in the archives somewhere on here. I did that to show the difference between Ajax vs. Car shampoos off the shelf. |
First of all, the shampoo shouldn't matter, the only difference is the fact that Ajax will remove LSP, and should only be used as a prep for LSP application or paintwork correction.
From what you have said and provided thus far in terms of photos and your retorts, I am extremely sceptical that it is a prime example of your "detailing" skills. Yet, it could be
your prime example, but it makes a fool out of professional detailers.
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Originally Posted by benz rider And there's no right "order" to clay your car. I pefer to clay/wash.
no need to wash/clay/wash. that may be your your style. but it's not the rule. |
You clay right on top of the dirt? How fast does your claybar become completely soiled?
Terrible.
If this is your procedure, then you have never properly clayed a car. Honestly, I wash, then clay, then wash the residue away again - it never takes very long the second time around.
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Originally Posted by benz rider Also the "shine" on a car doesn't always mean a full detail/complete has been done to it, because some "hacks" as you put it,don't take care of the little things like the crumbs in the console, dusty door jams, dirty inside windows, etc... it's not all about the outside as I'm sure you understand. |
The shine? I'd say a majority of the time I take detailing is to achieve as close to a perfect surface on the paintwork as possible. As stated before, paintwork correction is the one thing that sets a true professional detailer apart from any old "cleaner".
There are plenty of other processes that detailers must know, like leather restoration, which is quite complicated on it's own as well.
Honestly, at this point, I'm a lot less worried about those hacks, considering they at least make the car shine. Who says you even vaccum? You probably douse the interior with kerosene and set it on fire for all I know.
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Originally Posted by benz rider I'll try to woo a few pics from clients and post them. |
If you are caught stealing photos from other detailers, they will know. Don't even try it. With what you have said and provided, you have caused me to lose all faith in your abilities.
I will listen, and look at any photos you provide with an open mind, but at this point I am extremely skeptical of your unenethical business practices.
