[mcbear]

I hate these but let's see if this works.

Originally Posted by mcbear

I certainly agree with the Florida issue but the problem was the Florida Dem Party broke the rules and changed the primary.

Originally Posted by cmitch

Whose rules? The national Democratic Party or the State Democratic Party?

The Democratic National Committee made national rules that state Committes could NOT hold primaries prior to the Super Tuesday date. Michigan and Florida, wanting to jump ahead and be players, scheduled their contests early. ALL candidates signed documents saying they would not campaign in those states and would respect the decision of the DNC to withhold their delegates.

Originally Posted by mcbear

As for the Dems becoming a party of ideas instead of running on contrarian doctrines. They are only contrarian to the fundie right. To many folk they are very mainstream, socially responsible doctrines. We will see in November if that is a Majority opinion.

Originally Posted by cmitch

That's all the Democratic party has been is a party that runs against whatever the conservative party stands for. Bring up some real issues for a change instead of always accentuating the negative.

All ANY opposition party does is run at least part of their campaign against the current occupant [see 2000 election]. Otherwise, see below

Originally Posted by mcbear

The Democrats ARE a party of ideas, just not the ones you are used to with Bush and the NeoCon majority that ran things for years. Of course the ideas you are used to include 1/7 Americans without health insurance. Ideas like America being 41st in the world in Infant Mortality Rate. Ideas like 38 Million Americans [13 Million of them CHILDREN] living below the Poverty Rate.Some of us prefer different ideas.

Originally Posted by cmitch

What ideas? The Democratic party won 8 years in the White House on every issue you just listed and they didn't do a damn thing about it. So why should any good liberal believe anything will be done, now? Why is the Democratic party worried about the infant mortality rate, for, anyway? The abortions they sanction, alone, dwarf that figure.

Actually, during Clinton, the Poverty rate moved, fewer folks were on welfare and the US improved its standing in IMR. Nothing was done about Health Insurance as a Republican Congress was not very interested.

As for abortions, Democrats sanction CHOICE, not abortions [which are going down I might note] and are not a result of a poor healthcare and health provider system.

Originally Posted by mcbear

And as for "raise taxes on the rich" concept you like to point out. Reagan/Bush/Bushie raised taxes on EVERYONE by overspending the budgets and providing over 80% of the total National Debt in the history of the Republic. The INTEREST on that debt is 25% of the ENTIRE FEDERAL BUDGET. That is a tax! So when you talk about the Democrats raising taxes, remember that 25% of those taxes are to pay INTEREST on Reagan/Bush/Bushie Deficits.

Originally Posted by cmitch

Who controlled the SPENDING during the entire 8 years of Reagan's presidency??

That should have been Reagan's VETO pen if he was concerned with spending. Remember, however, he presented the budgets to Congress, demanded a 600 Ship navy AND raised taxes in 1986.

My opinion, NO ONE controlled spending during the Reagan Administration.

Originally Posted by cmitch

Don't say it was the Republican controlled congress because ol' Tippy O'Neil overseen some of the worst deficit spending, when adjusted for inflation. You and I both know tax cuts don't work when increased spending is rolled into it. The deficit is NOT existent because of tax cuts, which YOU so conveniently blame, it's out of control SPENDING.

I have never blamed the deficit on tax cuts. I ALWAYS blame the deficits on piss poor fiscal policy that overspends it's budgets with rampant deficit spending while handing out taxcuts to a small percentage of people at the same time. The confusion is probibly because I point to the false success of the tax cuts, pointing out that the deficit spending and excessive credit card activity of the consumer [with unlimited re-fi ability] is what really propped up the economy during that "tax cut boom".

Do a search and you will see that.