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old300D - 12/20/2005 7:02 PM
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salslk - 12/20/2005 12:50 PM
Unions have outlived their usefulness. Id like to retire at 55 and have all my health benefits paid for too. OK we'll clean up those toilets you have to use (by the way, you messed them up) Get the trains running now or we'll do like the traffic controllers and replace the entire lot of you with people who want to work and would be glad to have a job. It aint rocket science
| That seems like a difficult case to make now. With the current rise of corporate power, they need the checks and balances a union provides. The health of the country depends on the standard of living of all citizens, not just the rich ones.
| Except the unions are the ones that put many companies into bankruptcy or in jeoperdy of banruptcy. A couple of examples? TWA, Delta, United, Ford, GM, etc. How about the $400-$600 mil they are costing NYC a day. How about the problems created when they struck at UPS and the costs associated with it.
| Bull. You can't blame failed business strategies at the feet of the workers and their unions. If they weren't so busy lining their pockets and filling their parachutes, they could make long term market plans to ensure success for all. Instead they drive companies into bankruptcy and cry to the government to bail them out, dumping all the pensions and employment contracts they can, obligations THEY WERE SIGNATORY TO.
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Let's see the unions hold a gun to the company's head and tell them negotiate with us and give us what we want or we will strike. Management decides to take a stance for the longevity of the company and locks out the workers till they return and negotiate in good faith. The company loses millions of dollars a day. Management is under increasing pressure from investors, the press, creditors, etc. They cave to the unions demands for untenable wages and benefits to save the company for the short term. Hmmm. I see the unions did nothing wrong.
Lets look at the voting in work places to allow unions in. During the voting process the union can promise anything they want knowing full well they can not guarntee anything. Management on the other hand who can actually deliver on any promises is not allowed to make any offers.
Lets look at many states (at least in the mid-west). If I want to work for a supermarket, service company, etc. I have no choice but to join the union and am forced to pay dues if I want to work for the company. In high school when I confronted the shop steward to inquire what my union dues would be used for. I was told show up for the union meeting to find out. Having more important things to I continued to what I was paying for, what benefits would I reap for paying a flat rate to the union on a monthly basis. It was made very clear to me that I was paying for a meeting place and union stewards salary. We are talking about what was a $5-$8 an hour job (sorry it is too long ago to remember exactly).
I am not laying the blame at the workers feet. I am laying the blame at the feet of the unions.
Tell me how is it helping the viability of a business when you state that a person can not pick up a dropped part because it is someone elses job? This is what happens in an auto manufacturing plant. If it is my job to put on the wheels and I drop a log nut I can not pick it up.
