[Tim]

If you now have to resort to personal insults to somehow convince us that you are correct, so be it, but most know this happens when you don't have the facts on your side.

The South started the War to drive the North out of Southern terrority. The North responded in hopes of defeating the South to eliminate the Confederacy. It is not similar to Iraq at all. Forgive me for being dense as you put it, but your reason for bringing the Civil War into this conversation makes no sense. No one starts a war hoping for good consequences.

Jordan & Kuwait have some of the worst human rights abuses on the planet. Supporting them will continue to make terrorism worse just as it has in Saudi Arabia . They are not moderate governments, but dictatorships where people have few rights.

Turkey refused to support the USA in the war not because of fear of the radicals, but because the people there did not want the USA to prevail in Iraq. The refusal came from the Parliment by vote. You are incorrect on this fact as well.

Finally concerning Iraq, you have jumped from comparing Iraq to the Civil war to the Destruction caused during WWII. LOL (forgotten in your comparison was that WWII was more than 5 years long) Do you honestly believe the complete leveling of German and Japanese cities even remotely compares to the situation in Iraq!?? Last time I looked there were no "Hiroshimas" in Iraq. Now I see why you resorted to the personal attacks.

But I will make one comparison. When VE and VJ were announced, fighting stopped, and the very thoughtful plans of the Truman Administration were put into place. Compare that to the absolute mess that we have from Bush who declared Combat Operation over in March 2003 and then again after turning over the country to the Iraqi's (in name) in June. Americans and Iraqi's are dying there everyday. Sorry, but Bush needs to go. You might think I am dense, but I am smart enough to realize that in order to fix this mess we need to vote Bush back to Texas.

MikeV - 8/4/2004 5:38 PM


Are you really this dense?

The South attacked the north. Agreed, the North (the side typically referred to as "us" in conversation) fought back as an effort to, say it with me, "PRESERVE THE UNION." Did you say it slow? Did you get it? Do you really want to keep arguing this?

Jordan, Kuwait, and Turkey are all MODERATE ISLAMIC STATES. As I said. Jordan has already said that they will supply troops to the new government if asked. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3858883.stm

The government of Turkey refused the US in fear radicals striking them in retaliation for helping the US. Just as in Jordan, Turkey will recognize that the Iraqi governement will be an independent entity.

Your last paragraph really shows your ignorance. The ground INVASION began in March of '03. Not even 18 months ago. How long did you think it would take? The one tidbit of history you appear to know is that the south attacked the north. Do you have any idea how long it took to reconstruct and stabalize Japan and Germany? I'll give you a hint, it took many YEARS, and BILLIONS adjusted to today's dollars, 108 billion for Germany alone. And Germany, like Japan were both already highly industrial and had a hell of a lot more infrastructure than Iraq. More people in Iraq have electricity than did with Sadam, Iraq's court system is working, schools are open, including Colleges and Universities, hospitals are working, social services, children are being given vaccinations they never had before, their banking system is working and no longer is bahgdad bob the lone news source in Iraq, there are over 200 private newspapers being printed. And that's only 17 months into the project, give it a few more years.

And Finally, I hope you understand by now that I never compared our civil war with our Regime Change in Iraq. I was simply pointing out that there are good things that come from war despite the reason.