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merouby - 8/2/2004 12:02 PM
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Links to 9/11 been proven
| That's odd. Because the 9/11 Commission (who were able to see the proof) think otherwise.
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Saddam was a brutal dictator who murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. We got rid of a brutal dictator and are helping to set up a freedom-based government.
| That's not why we went to war, nor is it any different from the other 100 or so governments with their own dictatorships.
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No more women maimed or raped (oops, they don't count).
| You mean they finally got rid of the Americans at Abu Ghraib??!
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Did you protest our preemptive war in Yugoslavia?
| That wasn't preemptive. Serbian armies were attacking both the Bosnians and the Croats. We went in under NATO to protect those citizens ASKING US for OUR AID. Who asked for our aid in Iraq?? No one. Unless you mean the failed 'uprising' that Bush Sr. walked away from after pledging support.
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Even if Bush and the entire international intellegence community was wrong (which there's evidence to conclude they were correct, see prewar exports to Syria) that doesn't mean that the war was wrong.
| Actually, it does mean the war is VERY wrong. See reasoning above.
And TCP, I do see a lot of sense in what you say. Granted, I don't think hardening our approach towards the Iraqis is the answer. I would actually IMMEDIATELY pull our troops out and let the UN do it's job, if it turns to sh!t (which I agree with you, it probably will). Send a couple of billions in reperations to the Iraqis with a warm hearted apology saying "Sorry are so-called 'intellegence' was wrong".
Didnt we also mess up Vietnam? Didnt we send them reperations when we tried to change their form of gevernment and also try to impose democracy? We pulled out and it fixed itself in Vietnam. As a result the Vietnamese don't see the US as good friends. We should expect the same from Iraq.
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As for an Assassin, that would have left his sons to step in and would not have changed much.
| Easy. Kill them too. We would have really won the hearts and minds of the Iraqis this way FOR REAL.
BTW, what does this have to do with Kerry's speech?
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That's pretty impressive, you quote three different posters without making mention to any of them.
A couple of those were mine which I will definitely respond to along with a few others.
As for the brutal dictator thing you say that there are 100 or so other governments with their own dictatorships. 100 huh? That's a pretty big number. Care to list those, or at least 60 of them, I'd be interested to see 100 contries today that are rulled by "Dictators," and brutal ones at that. Or, was this just another one of those numbers that you keep shoved somewhere for pulling out when the time is right?
Abu Grahib, I have not heard of any women, or men for that matter, being mamed and raped. Is this just another fact that you keep next to those numbers or do you have some credable link?
Your plan to pull out of Iraq and to allow the UN to take over is laughable. It says to me that your emotions have gotten the best of you and you don't look at the subject with an open and level mind. If we were to just walk away from Iraq and give it to the UN would would have another Lebanon in Iraq. You proffess to be well aquinted with politics of the region. Surely you know of the Syrian influence in Beirut and much of Lebanon. There are a number of anti-Isreali terroritsts groups opperating out of Lebanon, yet financed and suported by Iran and Syria. Leaving Iraq to the UN would allow Iran to gain major influence in Iraq and eventually to become a major power in the world thanks to Iraq's huge oil and gas reserves and access to the gulf. There are a ton of historical similarities between Iraq and Lebanon, their paths could be easily be to the same end. On the otherside of the coin, a successful Iraq boardering moderate states like Jordan, Turkey and Kuwait would be huge in the long term prospect of changing the middle east to our advantage.
And for assassinating SaDam, easier said than done. As much as we want to believe Tom Clancey books and movies we don't have that type of "actionable intellegence." And I know you guys don't want to hear this, but thank Clinton for failing to recognize the need for more human intellegence.