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Old 08-02-2004, 01:02 PM   #30 (permalink)
merouby
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RE: Kerry's Speech

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Links to 9/11 been proven
That's odd. Because the 9/11 Commission (who were able to see the proof) think otherwise.

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Saddam was a brutal dictator who murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. We got rid of a brutal dictator and are helping to set up a freedom-based government.
That's not why we went to war, nor is it any different from the other 100 or so governments with their own dictatorships.

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No more women maimed or raped (oops, they don't count).
You mean they finally got rid of the Americans at Abu Ghraib??!

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Did you protest our preemptive war in Yugoslavia?
That wasn't preemptive. Serbian armies were attacking both the Bosnians and the Croats. We went in under NATO to protect those citizens ASKING US for OUR AID. Who asked for our aid in Iraq?? No one. Unless you mean the failed 'uprising' that Bush Sr. walked away from after pledging support.

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Even if Bush and the entire international intellegence community was wrong (which there's evidence to conclude they were correct, see prewar exports to Syria) that doesn't mean that the war was wrong.
Actually, it does mean the war is VERY wrong. See reasoning above.

And TCP, I do see a lot of sense in what you say. Granted, I don't think hardening our approach towards the Iraqis is the answer. I would actually IMMEDIATELY pull our troops out and let the UN do it's job, if it turns to sh!t (which I agree with you, it probably will). Send a couple of billions in reperations to the Iraqis with a warm hearted apology saying "Sorry are so-called 'intellegence' was wrong".

Didnt we also mess up Vietnam? Didnt we send them reperations when we tried to change their form of gevernment and also try to impose democracy? We pulled out and it fixed itself in Vietnam. As a result the Vietnamese don't see the US as good friends. We should expect the same from Iraq.

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As for an Assassin, that would have left his sons to step in and would not have changed much.
Easy. Kill them too. We would have really won the hearts and minds of the Iraqis this way FOR REAL.

BTW, what does this have to do with Kerry's speech?
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